On Elected Officials as Speakers - The 9-12 Project of Central PA2024-03-28T11:53:15Zhttp://wesurroundthemcentrecounty.ning.com/forum/topics/on-elected-officials-as?commentId=3029713%3AComment%3A5602&feed=yes&xn_auth=noOne problem with having elect…tag:wesurroundthemcentrecounty.ning.com,2009-04-15:3029713:Comment:57152009-04-15T18:21:57.052ZJames Bryan Coxhttp://wesurroundthemcentrecounty.ning.com/profile/JamesBryanCox
One problem with having elected officials at any event is the fact that they love the lime light and tooting their own horn too much. Instead let them hear from the common man. How taxation is effecting the common man.<br />
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Here in Centre County there are taxes upon taxes, fees and the like being charged on a daily basis...Like the $50 or so dollars a year to have a Job in State College... you pay even if you don't live in State College... you can't vote for any of the people who are spending your…
One problem with having elected officials at any event is the fact that they love the lime light and tooting their own horn too much. Instead let them hear from the common man. How taxation is effecting the common man.<br />
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Here in Centre County there are taxes upon taxes, fees and the like being charged on a daily basis...Like the $50 or so dollars a year to have a Job in State College... you pay even if you don't live in State College... you can't vote for any of the people who are spending your money... Sounds like Taxation with Representation... a common theme in the Revolution.... <b>If any elected officals are there at all maybe they should be tied at a stake and being worried about tar and feathers.. and forced to confess their part in the mess we now call America....</b> Wayne . . . I was able to cha…tag:wesurroundthemcentrecounty.ning.com,2009-04-15:3029713:Comment:56642009-04-15T14:54:27.933ZKarenhttp://wesurroundthemcentrecounty.ning.com/profile/Karen
Wayne . . . I was able to change my friend's perspective on the Tea Party on a one to one basis. Had they just showed up at our Tea Party and saw that the speaker at the podium was a politician . . . in their eyes (and mine in their shoes) their view would have been proven right . . .<br />
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An electic official sitting at my table at our last meeting said we as a group woud be making a big mistake to have any "sitting" politician speak at our event . . . persception is reality and the new media loves…
Wayne . . . I was able to change my friend's perspective on the Tea Party on a one to one basis. Had they just showed up at our Tea Party and saw that the speaker at the podium was a politician . . . in their eyes (and mine in their shoes) their view would have been proven right . . .<br />
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An electic official sitting at my table at our last meeting said we as a group woud be making a big mistake to have any "sitting" politician speak at our event . . . persception is reality and the new media loves to assit in that reality! I've said more then my two cents and this is enough!<br />
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I am excited, energized and I stay up to 2:30 AM making posters . . . this will be fun!!! Hopefully many more will join our ranks . . . Hi Wayne - As someone who spe…tag:wesurroundthemcentrecounty.ning.com,2009-04-15:3029713:Comment:56632009-04-15T14:35:06.388ZGreg Fasolthttp://wesurroundthemcentrecounty.ning.com/profile/GFasolt
Hi Wayne - As someone who spends long days and long hours at the keyboard, I'm all for cutting out the typing, thanks!<br />
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I hope to see you ahead of the tea party today, and hope others who have something to share can join us and share their points of view.<br />
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<cite>Wayne Stottlar said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://wesurroundthemcentrecounty.ning.com/forum/topics/on-elected-officials-as?page=2&commentId=3029713%3AComment%3A5643&x=1#3029713Comment5643"><div>We would not be marginalizing…</div>
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Hi Wayne - As someone who spends long days and long hours at the keyboard, I'm all for cutting out the typing, thanks!<br />
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I hope to see you ahead of the tea party today, and hope others who have something to share can join us and share their points of view.<br />
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<cite>Wayne Stottlar said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://wesurroundthemcentrecounty.ning.com/forum/topics/on-elected-officials-as?page=2&commentId=3029713%3AComment%3A5643&x=1#3029713Comment5643"><div>We would not be marginalizing ourselves by letting ANY individual who embraces our ideals to speak, that is just it, let people see that WE the People are actually in charge, and that we have already had enough influence to make elected officials want to embrace our values and principles. I don't think it hurts us either way, as Karen already stated, someone who did not know what they were talking about, already had their perception. The mainstream has already poisoned the water, and will continue to whether we have any specific person speak or not. The big deal here is for us to remain in control, and for anyone who speaks to speak on the values and principles that bind us.<br/> When Glenn first spoke of this movement, he said there would be folks who didn't always see eye to eye, but were bound by the principles and values. It is a grassroots movement, if elected officials, want to JOIN us, the more the merrier I think. You seem to have already taken out your wide paint brush for elected officials, they aren't all alike, and if they share our views, we should not disqualify them.<br/>
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Greg, I hope maybe we can talk about this today, ( I hate typing :-) )</div>
</blockquote> Hi Wayne. Back to basics; wha…tag:wesurroundthemcentrecounty.ning.com,2009-04-15:3029713:Comment:56352009-04-15T13:57:00.526ZGreg Fasolthttp://wesurroundthemcentrecounty.ning.com/profile/GFasolt
Hi Wayne. Back to basics; what is this tea party about? It is about defining ourselves in the eyes of our neighbors and about building membership essential to give us strength. The tea party is, after all, a publicity event, a marketing effort, and thus all about perceptions. If we compromise who we are and what we are, we will communicate that message. If we appear to embrace the establishment, then we will <b>marginalize ourselves</b> because Americans know the establishment is the…
Hi Wayne. Back to basics; what is this tea party about? It is about defining ourselves in the eyes of our neighbors and about building membership essential to give us strength. The tea party is, after all, a publicity event, a marketing effort, and thus all about perceptions. If we compromise who we are and what we are, we will communicate that message. If we appear to embrace the establishment, then we will <b>marginalize ourselves</b> because Americans know the establishment is the problem.<br />
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Our success so far is clearly a result of the grassroots, nonpartisan nature of the movement. What can any politician bring to the table that that is worth compromising this? Do we need politicians to speak for us? I don't think so. Do we need elected officials and party functionaries on our podium to have credibility? Clearly not. Will the media and our neighbors fail to connect us with officials on our soap box? I not only doubt it, I believe the media will be ecstatic at the opportunity to exploit the opportunity.<br />
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Honestly, I cannot see the profit in associating with these folks. However, I do fear that we might sabotage ourselves by doing so. Why take the chance? Why not invite the good elected officials out there to join the tea party and respect our nonpartisan position by not mounting our soap box and by not addressing the crowd? What's wrong with that? Congratulations, Karen. If ea…tag:wesurroundthemcentrecounty.ning.com,2009-04-15:3029713:Comment:56202009-04-15T13:24:07.364ZGreg Fasolthttp://wesurroundthemcentrecounty.ning.com/profile/GFasolt
Congratulations, Karen. If each of us accomplishes this much in the next few months, it will be a huge step forward.<br />
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<cite>Karen Clark said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://wesurroundthemcentrecounty.ning.com/forum/topics/on-elected-officials-as?page=2&commentId=3029713%3AComment%3A5614&x=1#3029713Comment5614"><div>We had unexpected house guest last night. Discussion turned to politics because I mentioned we had planned on hear a conservative lecture on campus. I know their politics…</div>
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Congratulations, Karen. If each of us accomplishes this much in the next few months, it will be a huge step forward.<br />
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<cite>Karen Clark said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://wesurroundthemcentrecounty.ning.com/forum/topics/on-elected-officials-as?page=2&commentId=3029713%3AComment%3A5614&x=1#3029713Comment5614"><div>We had unexpected house guest last night. Discussion turned to politics because I mentioned we had planned on hear a conservative lecture on campus. I know their politics were opposite mine. They said at least we were not part of that "Tea Party" movement. Smiling I said . . . "oh yes we are." They preceeded to tell me it was organized and funded by the Republican Party. Song story short . . . I cleared up their miss conception . . . we found some common ground AND . . . I think they may come to our Tea Party. SO . . . I do hope this is a We The People event and that there are no elected officials speaking to prove their point!</div>
</blockquote> Greg . . .it is that emotion…tag:wesurroundthemcentrecounty.ning.com,2009-04-15:3029713:Comment:56192009-04-15T13:22:54.282ZKarenhttp://wesurroundthemcentrecounty.ning.com/profile/Karen
Greg . . .it is that emotion and passion that makes what you have to say worth listening to! You are not a polish politician . . . you are one of use . . . WE The People, but with a lot more knowledge about our system (at least more then mine)! I can also understand not wanting to talk before a crowd . . . definitly not in my comfort zone . . . not now . . .not ever :-)
Greg . . .it is that emotion and passion that makes what you have to say worth listening to! You are not a polish politician . . . you are one of use . . . WE The People, but with a lot more knowledge about our system (at least more then mine)! I can also understand not wanting to talk before a crowd . . . definitly not in my comfort zone . . . not now . . .not ever :-) We had unexpected house guest…tag:wesurroundthemcentrecounty.ning.com,2009-04-15:3029713:Comment:56142009-04-15T13:17:27.680ZKarenhttp://wesurroundthemcentrecounty.ning.com/profile/Karen
We had unexpected house guest last night. Discussion turned to politics because I mentioned we had planned on hear a conservative lecture on campus. I know their politics were opposite mine. They said at least we were not part of that "Tea Party" movement. Smiling I said . . . "oh yes we are." They preceeded to tell me it was organized and funded by the Republican Party. Song story short . . . I cleared up their miss conception . . . we found some common ground AND . . . I think they may come…
We had unexpected house guest last night. Discussion turned to politics because I mentioned we had planned on hear a conservative lecture on campus. I know their politics were opposite mine. They said at least we were not part of that "Tea Party" movement. Smiling I said . . . "oh yes we are." They preceeded to tell me it was organized and funded by the Republican Party. Song story short . . . I cleared up their miss conception . . . we found some common ground AND . . . I think they may come to our Tea Party. SO . . . I do hope this is a We The People event and that there are no elected officials speaking to prove their point! I failed to point out the obv…tag:wesurroundthemcentrecounty.ning.com,2009-04-15:3029713:Comment:56022009-04-15T11:08:32.543ZGreg Fasolthttp://wesurroundthemcentrecounty.ning.com/profile/GFasolt
I failed to point out the obvious here, <b>who's got the power now?</b>
I failed to point out the obvious here, <b>who's got the power now?</b> Michelle Malkin wrote today:…tag:wesurroundthemcentrecounty.ning.com,2009-04-15:3029713:Comment:56012009-04-15T11:07:25.988ZGreg Fasolthttp://wesurroundthemcentrecounty.ning.com/profile/GFasolt
Michelle Malkin wrote today: Blog pioneer Glenn Reynolds, author of “An Army of Davids,” has a nice overview of the Tea Party movement in the Wall Street Journal today. (...)<br />
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Reynolds writes: <b>When Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele asked to speak at the Chicago tea party, his request was politely refused by the organizers: “With regards to stage time, we respectfully must inform Chairman Steele that RNC officials are welcome to participate in the rally itself, but we…</b>
Michelle Malkin wrote today: Blog pioneer Glenn Reynolds, author of “An Army of Davids,” has a nice overview of the Tea Party movement in the Wall Street Journal today. (...)<br />
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Reynolds writes: <b>When Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele asked to speak at the Chicago tea party, his request was politely refused by the organizers: “With regards to stage time, we respectfully must inform Chairman Steele that RNC officials are welcome to participate in the rally itself, but we prefer to limit stage time to those who are not elected officials, both in Government as well as political parties. This is an opportunity for Americans to speak, and elected officials to listen, not the other way around.”</b> Wayne, I don't propose stripp…tag:wesurroundthemcentrecounty.ning.com,2009-04-13:3029713:Comment:52342009-04-13T15:35:50.915ZGreg Fasolthttp://wesurroundthemcentrecounty.ning.com/profile/GFasolt
Wayne, I don't propose stripping anyone of their rights. What I do suggest is that our tea party is a staged event, one in which we are in control We need to exercise that control to present our image in the best possible light, for the purpose of achieving our goals. Anything we do that can be used against us by the media and others, anything we do that confuses our audience or sends the wrong message would be a mistake.<br />
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I cannot see that any elected official can bring something of sufficient…
Wayne, I don't propose stripping anyone of their rights. What I do suggest is that our tea party is a staged event, one in which we are in control We need to exercise that control to present our image in the best possible light, for the purpose of achieving our goals. Anything we do that can be used against us by the media and others, anything we do that confuses our audience or sends the wrong message would be a mistake.<br />
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I cannot see that any elected official can bring something of sufficient value to the table to justify the potential cost.<br />
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As we grow, we will need to undertake political activism. Personally, I believe this might best be done through a separate entity in order to insulate this group and to make available a full range of avenues of action. This might be the forum that could include elected party officials. What do you think?<br />
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<cite>Wayne Stottlar said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://wesurroundthemcentrecounty.ning.com/forum/topics/on-elected-officials-as#3029713Comment4711"><div>Officials are still private individuals. Who are we to say ANY citizen that accepts a public position thereby forfeits their right to their private 1st and 2nd amendment rights? I do not feel it is within anyone's power to strip a private citizen of their personal rights guaranteed to everyone else under our Constitution.</div>
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